Gotcha. I’m curious how much force it would take to bend/tear a Jeep frame. I don’t suppose a single snatch block on a 10k winch would be enough.
Same applies to winching.
Freedom winch line 3.0 from the Bleepin Guy
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Except I don't go around telling anyone to winch, use a hi-lift, or do a kinetic recovery.
I’ll bet it did! That’s a horrible thing to see. I have a 45 year-old memory of seeing a mostly-charred body of someone I knew being pulled out of a service station owned by a friend’s father. He (the deceased) was using a torch near a full gas tank, and he inadvertently cut through the piece he was cutting and into the gas tank, dropping the contents on the floor around him simultaneously with the ignition. I was on the second floor of the school across the street with a birds-eye view. He was still alive and moving when they pulled him out, but didn’t make it into the ambulance alive. I can still vividly recall the incident all these years later. My lesson from that - complacency kills!
Everybody seems hung up on the tree saver aspect or lack there of.
I'm not seeing significant difference between using the Freedom winch line and the TRE tree saver soft shackle which I believe people liked.
The Freedom line is 3/8" doubled so 3/4" and the TRE looks to be 7/8" so an 1/8" difference.
https://www.tacticalrecoveryequipment.com/product/tree-soft-shackle/
I'm not seeing significant difference between using the Freedom winch line and the TRE tree saver soft shackle which I believe people liked.
The Freedom line is 3/8" doubled so 3/4" and the TRE looks to be 7/8" so an 1/8" difference.
https://www.tacticalrecoveryequipment.com/product/tree-soft-shackle/
The original intent for that was not as a tree saver. Originally it was for a rock strap. One of the few place where an abrasion guard is appropriate. I wouldn't like to see folks use it as a tree saver where you really need to spread the load out a bunch more than that does.
That makes more sense.
I've not seen one in the wild but I believe people were buying them for their as advertised use.
Agree a good wide strap would be better when it comes to minimizing the damage on a tree.
I’d love to see Wizard Recovery Gear offer a tree saver . I have trust issues with the majority of tree savers that I see mass marketed . I have no such issues with WRG products . I will continue to use my old lifting strap for now .
My most-used recovery equipment is a strap. Easier and quicker than a winch in most situations. It doubles as a tree saver. I've considered a dedicated tree saver but haven't really needed it. Maybe if I did tougher trails and winched more it would make sense.
Currently, my setup consists of two low stretch 10ft straps, a 30ft kinetic rope, one pulley and five soft shackles. That has provided the versatility I have needed, so far. If anything, I would consider adding a pair of low stretch 20ft straps.
No reason for me to do that. Find a place that sells out of date lifting slings. They are way overbuilt for what we need, they are cheap, and they work very well. That is also what I use because you can just abuse the crap out of them and not worry about it.
That’s a similar load out to what I have as well. One twenty foot tow strap/tree saver, 30’ kinetic rope, four soft shackles, and a std steel bow shackle in case I need to connect to something sharp. I also include a Velcro on chaff guard that I’ve never used and a pair of leather gloves for working with steel cable. All fits in one duffle. Easy to grab and work with.
Who threatened to sue him? You have to remember, some of us have managed to stay unaddicted to the click bait that are videos and the questions implied by video titles that are only answered when you view. I'm not that guy.
Doesn't say a name for the short segment I watched.
He had the name trademarked but "someone" else said they were already using the name and threatened to sue. Instead of fight it, Matt decided to change the name to be more in line with his brand.
I Googled and I see there is a Freedom Ropes website, I had originally assumed they made the ropes for him so that's why it was called Freedom Winch Line but maybe that's not the case and they are the other company.
In watching more of the video they are also moving production to the USA and they are coming out with a 4.0 version so they are discounting the 3.0 if anyone is interested.
If you know a thing or two about tying knots it's really pretty easy to put a diamond knot on the end of the rope and add a few "holes" to the line. I did this with my throwaway pink Barbie Jeep rope from Amazon that was replaced with a quality Wizard Recovery gear rope. That pink Amazon POS rope is doing amazingly good at dragging garbage into my dump trailer.
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Be curious to see the actual Trademark registration or more likely he just claimed it without going through the process. I know for a fact they won't let you trademark something that is already in use or has been discussed publicly.
Freedom Ropes has been around for quite awhile so it would be odd for him not to at least do his due diligence with a quick Google search at least.
I further suspect that the "sue me" part is a bit overblown. In any action like that, the first step in the legal process is a cease and desist letter from an attorney and depending on the response to that then it escalates into the lawsuit threat. At least that has been the case for the ones I've been involved with on both sides. Tuffy sent Brad a cease and desist with the claim that he intentionally picked Tough Stuff Products to associate himself with them and trade on their good name. My response would have been a simple 2 word reply, he had his lawyer do it with a lengthy letter and he never hear back from them.
And yet, for many years after, they allowed Tuff Stuff to exist.
Here's the trademark info, I don't know how any of it works.
https://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=...TION&caseType=DEFAULT&searchType=statusSearch
The registration cert
https://tsdr.uspto.gov/documentview...=ORC20250130033317&linkId=1#docIndex=0&page=1