That means either they trust synthetic for their uses or they don't use the winch.
Received wrong winch (Should I return it or convert it?)
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That means either they trust synthetic for their uses or they don't use the winch.
And like I edited my post to reflect, rusting out your cable is a much bigger problem. If it can’t rust, it’s accepted out here.
If we are going to drag in shit that doesn't matter for what we do from other industries, then by all means, let's go marine. You know why they don't use steel cable for deep rigging? The weight of the cable exceeds the breaking strength and it breaks under its own weight.
Up until 2013 when I left the design world of offshore cranes we used only steel and we went to 10,000 feet subsurface up to 150mm wire rope.
But we were looking at synthetics.
When I first started looking into the synthetic lines, there was a whole bunch of marine info out there and one of the points they kept hammering on was how much bigger steel cable had to be due to the weight factor. Lots of little diagrams and shit showing why steel is problematic. Of course, with 6" steel cable, I suspect that there is some leeway there.
Apparently no one here has a strong opinion on the subject of steel vs. synthetic winch line.
I think I'll go read some shock absorber threads instead.
I think I'll go read some shock absorber threads instead.
Yeah, single line 450MT load to 10,000 ft.
We had concepts for attaching synthetic segments with a load on in order to utilize it because of the issues were heat build up in active heave friction winches.
Active heave for those that don’t know is a system that holds the load motionless as the vessel above heaves with the motion of the ocean so you’re constantly paying out or in hauling line at very fast rates and these lifts could take many hours at a time.
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For jeeps, I’d only run synthetic. I wouldn’t swap out a brand new synthetic from warn for something else though. I’d safety thimble it and enjoy.
I’d definitely swap out the steel for synthetic. I used to do a lot of pulling with cables and log chains too, broken them all and lived to tell the tales.
I bounced a broken log chain off the back window of my truck once. Just enough to make a scratch and not break the window. Wouldn’t have happened with synthetic.
@mrblaine here’s a solution my Norwegian colleagues were working on. The drum is enclosed as it was climate controlled due to the heating of the synthetic ropes. I always thought it was a cool video, not sure where the technology has gone since.
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Steel has served me well over the years for my needs. Not as safe as synthetic but I'm also not a retard. It's no secret that steel cable is less expensive overall, weighs more, and stands up to select abuse longer.
It suits my needs so I guess I'm one of the stubborn people that won't swap over from my existing cable. Just not worth the expense for my needs.
I suppose one shouldn't deny the advantages of synthetic line but one should also not be a snob about a fucking rope. I mean, Jesus, it's a winch line...not foreign policy.
We go through this bickering with lots of gear. Hi-Lift comes to mind. There are those who use them semi regularly for an array of reasons. There are others who have had them mounted since the 70s and never used them once. A hand full of people who have lost teeth and a lot more who know how to properly use them without getting hurt. Tit, tat, this, that.
Oh, and when I worked offshore no cable was synthetic. Cranes, rigs, gear fishing, etc.
Still fun to watch....
It suits my needs so I guess I'm one of the stubborn people that won't swap over from my existing cable. Just not worth the expense for my needs.
I suppose one shouldn't deny the advantages of synthetic line but one should also not be a snob about a fucking rope. I mean, Jesus, it's a winch line...not foreign policy.
We go through this bickering with lots of gear. Hi-Lift comes to mind. There are those who use them semi regularly for an array of reasons. There are others who have had them mounted since the 70s and never used them once. A hand full of people who have lost teeth and a lot more who know how to properly use them without getting hurt. Tit, tat, this, that.
Oh, and when I worked offshore no cable was synthetic. Cranes, rigs, gear fishing, etc.
Still fun to watch....
When I worked for Kaiser Offshore and Construction, every cable and sling etc. was steel. And the guys wouldn't have even thought about a synthetic anything. Many shops today use synthetic slings and straps for rigging, though cranes still use steel cable for cost and practicality I'm sure. Times change.
But I have synthetic on the Jeep. Different tools for different jobs.
But I have synthetic on the Jeep. Different tools for different jobs.
I don't get that video. They wire up on that benthic platform and there's not a tag line in sight!
We used a combination of polyolefin and nylon to anchor buoys for 1 to 2 year deployments. Some as deep as 4500 meters, but the loads were relatively light (<10,000 lbs) and the lines were a bit thicker than what we use with our Jeeps. The lines on the ship's winches and capstans were steel. Then there was the time a synthetic lifting strap broke under load, and said load thudded back down on deck from about 6 or 8 feet.
We used a combination of polyolefin and nylon to anchor buoys for 1 to 2 year deployments. Some as deep as 4500 meters, but the loads were relatively light (<10,000 lbs) and the lines were a bit thicker than what we use with our Jeeps. The lines on the ship's winches and capstans were steel. Then there was the time a synthetic lifting strap broke under load, and said load thudded back down on deck from about 6 or 8 feet.
...Back to our regularly scheduled program.
So a little clarification? Did Warn screw the order up, or your awesome wife? (No offense).
Did she "overpay" by $275, or did she actually order the steel rope by mistake?
If she overpaid and it was Warn's fault, I'd call them out and have them make it right. Send you a fucking rope, and what ever it takes to make it work. You keep the steel for your trouble.
If she made the mistake (prb bargain hunting as my wife does), then I'd just buy the syn-rope and keep the steel rope as a back up, or throw it up on CL.
It's kinda cheezy, but I actually find exactly what I want, and if it's on Amazon put it in the cart, then tell my awesome wife what I really, really want, she clicks "buy".
If not Amazon, I send the link w/ it in the cart, no confusion.
I didn't want anything this year, but I (kinda) needed a new EDC Kershaw as mine has lost 1/4 of the blade over the last 12 years.
In the cart, done, and done.
BTW: Not wanting anything for Christmas gives you leverage the rest of the year
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Why the thumbs down @Lou?...Back to our regularly scheduled program.
So a little clarification? Did Warn screw the order up, or your awesome wife? (No offense).
Did she "overpay" by $275, or did she actually order the steel rope by mistake?
If she overpaid and it was Warn's fault, I'd call them out and have them make it right. Send you a fucking rope, and what ever it takes to make it work. You keep the steel for your trouble.
If she made the mistake (prb bargain hunting as my wife does), then I'd just buy the syn-rope and keep the steel rope as a back up, or throw it up on CL.
It's kinda cheezy, but I actually find exactly what I want, and if it's on Amazon put it in the cart, then tell my awesome wife what I really, really want, she clicks "buy".
If not Amazon, I send the link w/ it in the cart, no confusion.
I didn't want anything this year, but I (kinda) needed a new EDC Kershaw as mine has lost 1/4 of the blade over the last 12 years.
In the cart, done, and done.
BTW: Not wanting anything for Christmas gives you leverage the rest of the year
I was asking a legit question that wasn't, to my reading of four pages (mostly banter), clarified.
If she spent the $275 more, than by all means, raise hell and get what you paid for is all I was saying.
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I sent her the Amazon link from this forum's shop for the synthetic. (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00625F8RW/?tag=aiponsite-20&linkCode=ic5&ascsubtag=amzn1.infl.us.product&creativeASIN=B00625F8RW&ref=exp_tjforum_dp_vv_mw&th=1&psc=1). That's what she ordered. They must have just pulled the wrong box. If you look at this picture, the only difference is which one is checked on the front of the box. Easy enough mistake....Back to our regularly scheduled program.
So a little clarification? Did Warn screw the order up, or your awesome wife? (No offense).
Did she "overpay" by $275, or did she actually order the steel rope by mistake?
If she overpaid and it was Warn's fault, I'd call them out and have them make it right. Send you a fucking rope, and what ever it takes to make it work. You keep the steel for your trouble.
If she made the mistake (prb bargain hunting as my wife does), then I'd just buy the syn-rope and keep the steel rope as a back up, or throw it up on CL.
It's kinda cheezy, but I actually find exactly what I want, and if it's on Amazon put it in the cart, then tell my awesome wife what I really, really want, she clicks "buy".
If not Amazon, I send the link w/ it in the cart, no confusion.
I didn't want anything this year, but I (kinda) needed a new EDC Kershaw as mine has lost 1/4 of the blade over the last 12 years.
In the cart, done, and done.
BTW: Not wanting anything for Christmas gives you leverage the rest of the year
As a result, she paid $895 for a synthetic version, but received the steel, which only costs $620.
Have them make it right...return shipping and all. It's on them, not you!
I'm kind of a softy, I would call them and ask them to send me the syn-rope (and accessories needed), I'm willing to respool. I'll send them the steel back on their dime. Way cheaper than them having to pay return shipping on a 60# winch!
Or just raise hell until they make it right...Everything has been a bit heated everywhere as of late, but this should totally be on them.
I'd be on the phone w/ them everyday until they fix it.
Edit: I pulled the link up and it said it was sold and shipped through Amazon, you should have free returns, esp if they fucked it up.
Don't back down.
I have learned a lot from this thread, I believe I am now qualified to select the proper rigging equipment for BP Deep Horizon as well as understand the benefits of steel cables when logging giant sequoia trees.
However, I think my 3/8 synthetic rope will suffice for dragging my 4,000lb Jeep up and over rocks and boulders for the foreseeable future. I am certain that by the time I wear it out, I will have received my $175.00 in value.
However, I think my 3/8 synthetic rope will suffice for dragging my 4,000lb Jeep up and over rocks and boulders for the foreseeable future. I am certain that by the time I wear it out, I will have received my $175.00 in value.
Not taking sides (as usual), but pulling a log and winching yourself out of rocks is almost apples to oranges. In one scenario the cable moves and in the other it doesn't.
Yes, I realize the rope can be damaged just from the pressure of it being tight against a sharp rock.
I think most would agree that a cable could take more intentional abuse that comes with being in a hurry or lazy; which may be the best choice for some.
Yes, I realize the rope can be damaged just from the pressure of it being tight against a sharp rock.
I think most would agree that a cable could take more intentional abuse that comes with being in a hurry or lazy; which may be the best choice for some.
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