In 2000, that was the marketing slogan for the first generation Nissan Xterra, later co-opted by both Audi and Volvo.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Xterra#First_generation_(WD22;_1999)
Aluminum vs Steel Bumpers
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In 2000, that was the marketing slogan for the first generation Nissan Xterra, later co-opted by both Audi and Volvo.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Xterra#First_generation_(WD22;_1999)
It's been leaking for many years and has survived several inquiries.
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I have no idea what the law on such things says in the US, but in the UK a company cannot knowingly say a product is made of something if it is not. That is not 'mis-direction' it is misrepresentation and it could result in large fines or even prison time. Now I am making no accusation regarding GenRight, it could well be an honest mistake or miscommunication. That is why I am interested to see if the website changes, if it was an honest mistake I would expect that GenRight will rectify the mistake pretty quickly.
DIdn’t @MX952 say his bumper had 6061 printed on the inside?
Wonder if he’d post a picture of those markings.
Wonder if he’d post a picture of those markings.
UKTJ
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I think it only has holes on one part of the wheel, if you look at a later posted picture you can only see them on the dirt side, not the back side.
“Truth in advertising“ applies here as well, I’m not sure if you could force them to make you a bumper out of what you paid for but you could probably get your money back. Their design wasn’t based on the material used, it was just a copy of their steel designs.
I work in the aerospace industry and with aluminum and I just want to point out a few things, none of these have to do with any particular bumper on the market. Just want to try and add to the "education" part of this thread.
-You can bend alloys {steel, aluminum, titanium, etc....) tighter than recommended without them cracking (to a point, too tight and they will crack). However, it will induce residual stresses and also failures in the grain structure. This will lead to premature cracking due to fatigue. So if a part is going to see any type of cyclic stress you would not want to bend it tighter than recommended, because the (residual stress + normal stress} * stress riser at the grain defect = crack in very near future. However, if it is just cosmetic and it won't see any working stress then bend it as tight as you can without inducing cracking.
-The tensile and shear strength of 6061 is higher than 5052 (or other 5000 series) and it is harder; however, 5052 has a higher modulus of elasticity and fatigue stress (which allows it to be bent tighter), it will also allow it to be bent further without cracking in an application; however, it will suffer permanent deformation much quicker than 6061.
-If you purchase an alloy in the "O" condition, you cannot heat treat it to T6, just T62. T62 is very close to T6 but it does have slightly lower properties than T6.
-The density of 5000 series is slightly less than 6061 and thus will be slightly lighter.
-Established OEMs will not only utilize regulated design requirements, but also established industry standards and experience when picking a material and designing a part/assy. Thus, experience may show that for production reasons or for part reliability that it is best to increase minimum design standards (like minimum bend radius, material thickness, etc...) to ensure a quality product. This is sometimes also to account for unknowns. It is very difficult to balance lightweight, usability, regulations, and overall reliability without experience. It is especially difficult when you throw in the bean counters and marketing department.
Following is my opinion as related to bumpers or any part for your TJ:
Most aftermarket parts are designed for "looks" or "functionality" with a slight cross-over. I believe it is best to use your vehicle how it is going to be used and then make your purchase decisions based on that use and your check book. I have also found that as you grow or expand in it's use, your requirements will change. So a part that is perfect today, may need to be modified or scrapped and replaced with another part in the future because your use of the vehicle has changed OR you learned something new OR you now have the funds available that you didn't before. Also, hindsight is 20/20, but the only way to be able to look back is to go through the experience and learn, that will allow you to look back and go "oh, now I get it" or "damn, I need to do this before this happens".
This is also my opinion:
Forums - great resource, but use with caution, they are in fact full of opinions and from perceptions that differ. Diverse opinions and perceptions are great, but need to be understood before allowing them to sway your opinion or perception.
-You can bend alloys {steel, aluminum, titanium, etc....) tighter than recommended without them cracking (to a point, too tight and they will crack). However, it will induce residual stresses and also failures in the grain structure. This will lead to premature cracking due to fatigue. So if a part is going to see any type of cyclic stress you would not want to bend it tighter than recommended, because the (residual stress + normal stress} * stress riser at the grain defect = crack in very near future. However, if it is just cosmetic and it won't see any working stress then bend it as tight as you can without inducing cracking.
-The tensile and shear strength of 6061 is higher than 5052 (or other 5000 series) and it is harder; however, 5052 has a higher modulus of elasticity and fatigue stress (which allows it to be bent tighter), it will also allow it to be bent further without cracking in an application; however, it will suffer permanent deformation much quicker than 6061.
-If you purchase an alloy in the "O" condition, you cannot heat treat it to T6, just T62. T62 is very close to T6 but it does have slightly lower properties than T6.
-The density of 5000 series is slightly less than 6061 and thus will be slightly lighter.
-Established OEMs will not only utilize regulated design requirements, but also established industry standards and experience when picking a material and designing a part/assy. Thus, experience may show that for production reasons or for part reliability that it is best to increase minimum design standards (like minimum bend radius, material thickness, etc...) to ensure a quality product. This is sometimes also to account for unknowns. It is very difficult to balance lightweight, usability, regulations, and overall reliability without experience. It is especially difficult when you throw in the bean counters and marketing department.
Following is my opinion as related to bumpers or any part for your TJ:
Most aftermarket parts are designed for "looks" or "functionality" with a slight cross-over. I believe it is best to use your vehicle how it is going to be used and then make your purchase decisions based on that use and your check book. I have also found that as you grow or expand in it's use, your requirements will change. So a part that is perfect today, may need to be modified or scrapped and replaced with another part in the future because your use of the vehicle has changed OR you learned something new OR you now have the funds available that you didn't before. Also, hindsight is 20/20, but the only way to be able to look back is to go through the experience and learn, that will allow you to look back and go "oh, now I get it" or "damn, I need to do this before this happens".
This is also my opinion:
Forums - great resource, but use with caution, they are in fact full of opinions and from perceptions that differ. Diverse opinions and perceptions are great, but need to be understood before allowing them to sway your opinion or perception.
I'll be damned, yes JPL was spelled out in Morse code on the tread.
J = . - - -
P = . - - .
L = . - . .
Gotta love the scientific types getting creative there.
That is the biggest pile of bullshit I’ve seen. If I’m buying something advertised as 6061-T6 then it better be fucking 6061-T6. I’ve bought expensive 7075-T6 for a project, and if the company said “you just need to know it’s aluminum” then they wouldn’t see a penny more of my money. I am now positive their bumper is 5052 or they wouldn’t be shy about telling you it really was 6061-T6 and not just “a secret”.
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I may have been a pissy bitch but if your info had come at the beginning my assumptions wouldn’t have been based on opinions, they would have been based on facts that would have changed my entire position. That said if a person is relying on what a manufacturer states as being fact then all things would have been equal and my argument valid because there would have been much less of a differentiation between the product. Yes I should be able to trust YOUR expertise but We also shouldn’t have to SECOND guess a company such as GenRight’s integrity.
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I’m agreeing with you. The website is wrong, and if they also somehow “faked” the material into looking like 6061T6 to fool people like me that didn’t understand that is complete horseshit.
Unfortunately (and I previously posted this) I only took photos of the outside of it. The print was on the backside.
I’m almost thinking I need to replace my GenRight fenders purely based on principal alone 
I'm keeping my GR raised body mounts even if their description is wrong.
In my opinion the 6061-T6 fraud reduced the value of their bumper by at minimum 50%.
Again, it does not matter what is printed on the inside or outside. It is not possible to make those bends in 6061 T6.
We got you here kicking and screaming, but at least you're here.
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