Dave Kishpaugh's (Jeep West) geometry correction brackets are now available

[jjvw]

I measured horizontal difference in bolts, not just the arm

As one should

 

[starkey480]

@starkey480
Yuoo care to share a link that leads to that calculator?

https://www.baselinesuspensions.com/instant-center_general.php

 

[Jorge Bolivar]

https://www.baselinesuspensions.com/instant-center_general.php

GrassyAss (Thanks)

IT blocked macros on my work laptop...

 

[Brianj5600]

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https://www.baselinesuspensions.com/instant-center_general.php

That calculator is for a parallel 4 link.

 

[starkey480]

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That calculator is for a parallel 4 link.

I’ll try Triage

 

[JMT]

Whatever the results, it can't be worse than no geometry correction brackets. Haven't we got to that point yet? $160 for better

 

[WSS]

Meh, zipties are all you really need. If you don't believe me it's only $0.24. Try it and don't be a hater.

Zipties are severely under rated. The new "get home item"

 

[rasband]

Ooops, need to take my phone out of my pocket.

You're going to need a school bus!

 

[Gollywomper]

I have mine....

First is stock TJ... Second is Lifted LJ stock locations... Third is geo improved on LJ (better term than corrected)...

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@jjvw given the 2 choices other than stock what numbers would you prefer?

 

[WSS]

How many outboards have you done? The caliper flip does nothing but make an outboard easier and package better. One outboard is enough to figure this out. Yet Dave has gone out of his way to not do this for reasons I cannot understand. Combined with everything else I pointed out, it is clear that there is an agenda.

It is due to "capitalism". Your closed mind has shielded truth from you. Haha!

I do know the answer though. It took a while but the formula is solid. When I did my outboard, I expected to see tons of TJ's with outboards. Fact is less than 1% are outboarded. So, I believe (my truth) is that Mr. Kishpaugh decided that he would have more sucess targeting 99% of TJ's over 1%. I get those are hard numbers and near impossible to grasp but truth will out.

 

[jjvw]

It is due to "capitalism". Your closed mind has shielded truth from you. Haha!

I do know the answer though. It took a while but the formula is solid. When I did my outboard, I expected to see tons of TJ's with outboards. Fact is less than 1% are outboarded. So, I believe (my truth) is that Mr. Kishpaugh decided that he would have more sucess targeting 99% of TJ's over 1%. I get those are hard numbers and near impossible to grasp but truth will out.

You wrote a bunch of stuff that has nothing to do with what I wrote.

 

[WSS]

You wrote a bunch of stuff that has nothing to do with what I wrote.

Ya, I knew you would say that. Carry on. We are two very different People". Carry on.

 

[rasband]

It is due to "capitalism". Your closed mind has shielded truth from you. Haha!

I do know the answer though. It took a while but the formula is solid. When I did my outboard, I expected to see tons of TJ's with outboards. Fact is less than 1% are outboarded. So, I believe (my truth) is that Mr. Kishpaugh decided that he would have more sucess targeting 99% of TJ's over 1%. I get those are hard numbers and near impossible to grasp but truth will out.

I may be wrong, but I believe there's past context not included in the comment you were quoting. I think it was more "of all the outboards he does - Dave has avoided the caliper flip". But I don't know all the history, it's just something I vaguely remember seeing before.

 

[Vasq]

PHEW! I'm up to speed now.

I've learned a lot in this thread.

EDIT: thank god i have metalcloak

 

[JMT]

PHEW! I'm up to speed now.

I've learned a lot in this thread.

Oh, I"m sure there's more to come.

I'm actually enjoying the anti-squat and instant center part. Some truth will come out of this.

 

[toximus]

I may be wrong, but I believe there's past context not included in the comment you were quoting. I think it was more "of all the outboards he does - Dave has avoided the caliper flip". But I don't know all the history, it's just something I vaguely remember seeing before.

Woah, easy there tiger. Are you trying to bring rationality into this discussion? Yeah, we don't do that here.

 

[Gollywomper]

I may be wrong, but I believe there's past context not included in the comment you were quoting. I think it was more "of all the outboards he does - Dave has avoided the caliper flip". But I don't know all the history, it's just something I vaguely remember seeing before.

Because that’s the way he likes to do them. He does a lot of them. If it was easier for him to do it another way don’t you think he would? Why is this some how getting spun into this guy vs that guy? Unless that is the whole reason for the animosity toward the brackets.

 

[Blackjack]

To me, except for the stock setup all of those anti-squat numbers are high (the first is crazy high), and as I understand it would absolutely result in hopping on a climb - but please correct me if I am wrong. I've always targeted anti-squat at a little under 100%. Since a likely incorrectly estimated CG can change the numbers, to me staying a bit under gives a little margin for error in that respect. That being said, I've always looked at the calculators as a guide - the proof of the pudding is in the eating.

Anyone happen to have numbers on the mid-arm?

You are not wrong in your thought process. There have been tons of debate on if under or over 100% is better but it is generally accepted that keeping near 100% makes for a good all around setup.

 

[someguysjeep]

https://www.patooyee.com/calculators/calculators.htm
here's that triage. need excel to run it.

this article will help you figure it without the calc.
http://www.orcfab.com/tech/4link1.html

 

[Gollywomper]

You are not wrong in your thought process. There have been tons of debate on if under or over 100% is better but it is generally accepted that keeping near 100% makes for a good all around setup.

But using these brackets to get closer to the magical is just outlandishly wrong.