241 vs Atlas ll

[Wildman]

Having had 727’s and 999’s in 3 Jeeps and several high horsepower installations, a cooler will not fix a dumbass installation, but good way to smoke transmission with a torque converter not being used correctly. Go out and sit in your driveway, put in drive, hold the brakes and floor the gas pedal And see how long it takes for the smoke to come out?

So are you advocating NOT to install an automatic transmission with the low geared transfer cases? I'm not sure how you see this as a problem. Having had a 4:1 TeraLow kit in my TJ with the 4 popper and then the 3 speed STaK's with an automatic I can say I like the auto better for off-road driving. And I'm really not sure what heat issues you're talking about?

How many of these were TJs with TJ transmissions?

And auto is an auto in how it works to the best of my knowledge there isn't anything ground breaking about any TJ auto. The 999 was used in the YJ.

 

[jjvw]

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And auto is an auto in how it works to the best of my knowledge there isn't anything ground breaking about any TJ auto. The 999 was used in the YJ.

The least we can do is stay within context. And we both know full well that not all automatics are equally suited for all applications.

Regardless, we have one guy who seems to burn up automatics enough to not recommend them. And we have another guy who subjects automatics to abuse most of us will never dare, but doesn't see these problems. This is a significant disparity.

 

[Alex01]

I smell and auto manual debate coming soon.

 

[starkey480]

I'll say that the more I do, the more I want an automatic.

FIFY

 

[jjvw]

FIFY

This is true!

 

[Alex01]

I smell and auto manual debate coming soon. View attachment 324151

FIFY

This is true!

Called it lol

 

[jjvw]

I smell and auto manual debate coming soon. View attachment 324151

Need a cigarette after all of that?

 

[Gollywomper]

No matter if it better, worse or indifferent I am a fan of my 3 pedal rigs.

 

[Wildman]

No matter if it better, worse or indifferent I am a fan of my 3 pedal rigs.

Yes there are times I miss rowing the gears and it was fun. It comes down to personal preference IMO and with low geared t-cases it makes it harder to choose IMO. I needed an automatic so I had my choice made for me.

 

[TRE3TOP]

There are definitely situations I would prefer and benefit from an automatic, there are times I appreciate having a manual. I do like being able to push the clutch in and disengage all drive to the axles instantly. It’s a much more ingrained muscle memory for me than throwing an auto in reverse.

 

[mrblaine]

No matter if it better, worse or indifferent I am a fan of my 3 pedal rigs.

As you should be because at the end of the day, that's all that matters. If you like it, run it.

 

[Westtown Willy]

I love any vehicle with a manual and that was not negotiable when I bought my TJ, I wouldn’t even look at an auto. However, I wished sometimes terribly for an automatic in my brief few year long wheeling career, the manual did make things far more difficult than they seemed they had to be, particularly when you're not a really experienced wheeler as I was the whole time. But since I’m back to street only driving it ended well.

Glad I didn’t let my TJ transition during that brief period of confusion.

 

[Apparition]

I'll say if you decide to get an Atlas, get it on order it's gonna take a few months to get.

 

[mrblaine]

The least we can do is stay within context. And we both know full well that not all automatics are equally suited for all applications.

Regardless, we have one guy who seems to burn up automatics enough to not recommend them. And we have another guy who subjects automatics to abuse most of us will never dare, but doesn't see these problems. This is a significant disparity.

The problem there is we are not abusing them. My crawler runs 40" sticky tires, Atlas 4.3, 4.88 gears in the diff so by most any metric it is horribly under geared for the tire size. Small trans cooler in the grill that was put in when it was on 33's. Unlike most back then and quite a few now, I also run a trans temp gauge. It is one of the older B&M style that along with numbers, has white, yellow, and red zones to help you at a glance. In all the time we've run out in JV, it has only ever crept up to the yellow zone one time. One year the road in was pretty soft so I was helping add a bit more drive to a 35' motorhome pulling a rig on a trailer. I had it in 4 hi and was continually slipping the tires in the soft getting him back to the highway.

The rest of the time it was often a topic of conversation by those who rode with me. Usually along the lines of "why do you have a gauge on the windshield bar that doesn't work? I'd tell them to keep watching it and the needle may get up off of the cold side by the time we get to the trail and it would by maybe one or two needle widths.

 

[freedom_in_4low]

The least we can do is stay within context. And we both know full well that not all automatics are equally suited for all applications.

Regardless, we have one guy who seems to burn up automatics enough to not recommend them. And we have another guy who subjects automatics to abuse most of us will never dare, but doesn't see these problems. This is a significant disparity.

The 999 is what the 32RH was called before they decided to use alphanumeric names and renamed them all. It is a TJ transmission except in that you can't just take a 999 out of a YJ and drop it in a TJ because it won't have a place for a ckps.

The 727 is a 36RH used behind V8s.

 

[Artsifrtsi]

Glad I didn’t let my TJ transition during that brief period of confusion.

So, you're saying your TJ isn't a tranny...

 

[mrblaine]

The 999 is what the 32RH was called before they decided to use alphanumeric names and renamed them all. It is a TJ transmission except in that you can't just take a 999 out of a YJ and drop it in a TJ because it won't have a place for a ckps.

Isn't there a lock up torque converter in there somewhere?

 

[Wildman]

The 727 is a 36RH used behind V8s.

It's a 46RH if it's controled by hydraulics and a 46RE if controled electronically. There is also the 44RE which was a light duty transmission that was used behind the 5.2 and used in SUV's. There was also a 518 that was based off the 727. .

 

[Lou]

It's a 46RH if it's controled by hydraulics and a 46RE if controled electronically. There is also the 44RE which was a light duty transmission that was used behind the 5.2 and used in SUV's. There was also a 518 that was based off the 727. .

727 is a 3 speed.

 

[machoheadgames]

Isn't there a lock up torque converter in there somewhere?

They started calling the trans the 32RH starting with the 1991 EFI 4.0. However it did not have lockup, so it was a non locking 32RH for 91-93. Still basically the same trans as the 999.

Lockup torque converter started with the 94 YJ 32RH. and was operated differently and used a different solenoid than a 97's lockup. YJ was case grounded and was applied power via a relay controlled by PCM. If I recall the TJ was powered and grounded by the PCM. Powered constantly and grounded on command. From what I recall apparently the reason for the change in design was so the TJ PCM could monitor it.

The YJs do not report error codes for the TC if it doesn't lock, unlike the TJ. This is exactly why an auto YJ PCM can be used in a manual, as well as the manual PCM can be used in a 91-93 auto that doesn't have lockup. The picky ones are the 94-95s, they need their specific auto PCM or else they will never get to lock the trans unless they put it on a switch or similar.