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Flat towing versus car hauler

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I got the 7K rated trailer with a sticker that reads "The weight of cargo should not exceed 2,999 kg. or 5,068 lbs.". I'm just guessing for now on the 4,000 lb. weight of my Jeep ('97 TJ with 3.5" lift, 35" tires, Dana 44 axles, and some other aftermarket heavy stuff like bumper, wench, etc.). I think the stock curb weight was. 3,202 lbs. The door lists a GVWR of 4,360 lbs. (stock rating). So, I "feel" like a ~4,000 lb. guestimate is close enough until I get it weighed sometime (a good trick to doing this is simply to take something to the landfill where you have to drive up onto a scale where I live).

The trailer has brakes on all four wheels. For towing, my 2022 Ram 1500 Rebel has a towing capacity over 11,000 lbs.

Nice looking trailer! My 2019 Ram has the 3.21 axle ratio, so my tow cap is around 8500 so it's more of a concern, been regretting not getting the 3.92 but at the time I bought it I didn't have anything to tow over 3000lbs.
 
You never know what you might use your trailer to haul :) .

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I have the exact same hitch with the 6" drop. I've got the 4" drop version of this on order. Right now, I have 6 or 7 hitches littering the bed of my truck, but none of them are "just right" yet. I'll eventually get this right! I've collected a lot of hitch hardware over the years from various types of trailers, but it always seems like I have to buy something new.

Ball mounts are like having knives, holsters, tools, and boots. I always seem to have a collection but someday they are needed.
 
don't assume... just go weigh the damn thing.

I plan to, of course. It was out of commission due to a tire leak and what I believe is a fuel injector issue. Got the tire fixed today (replaced a valve stem). Fuel injectors are supposed to be coming Monday. There are scales I can use a couple miles from my house. I think it's a pretty safe bet my 97 Jeep didn't gain an additional ton to put me over the trailer limit though. It will be interesting to see how much over stock curb weight the Jeep is now. I'll load it up with what I typically take with us, and fill the tank on the way to the scales.

In the mean time, we've still been getting out on the trails with my truck - avoiding rock crawling though. Heading out again in the morning. The Jeep will be sadly waiting in the garage, but I don't want to risk damaging anything until I'm certain what's causing my fuel injector CEL code to come on (P0302) - which turns out could be a whole bunch of things, but I think I've got it narrowed down now.
 
I plan to, of course. It was out of commission due to a tire leak and what I believe is a fuel injector issue. Got the tire fixed today (replaced a valve stem). Fuel injectors are supposed to be coming Monday. There are scales I can use a couple miles from my house. I think it's a pretty safe bet my 97 Jeep didn't gain an additional ton to put me over the trailer limit though. It will be interesting to see how much over stock curb weight the Jeep is now. I'll load it up with what I typically take with us, and fill the tank on the way to the scales.

In the mean time, we've still been getting out on the trails with my truck - avoiding rock crawling though. Heading out again in the morning. The Jeep will be sadly waiting in the garage, but I don't want to risk damaging anything until I'm certain what's causing my fuel injector CEL code to come on (P0302) - which turns out could be a whole bunch of things, but I think I've got it narrowed down now.

I know my LJ scales in around 4850 now with all my gear in it, and my old 16' steel trailer weighed in at about 2100. Being near to the max on a trailer tends to wear them out fast.
 
Ball mounts are like having knives, holsters, tools, and boots. I always seem to have a collection but someday they are needed.

I have oner a dozen. Various drops, pintle/ball combos, 2” and 2 5/16”. Most are 1 1/4” shanks. I have some 17/8” but have not used one on a trailer for yrs and only use them on the forklifts to move trailers around the yard.
 
I know my LJ scales in around 4850 now with all my gear in it, and my old 16' steel trailer weighed in at about 2100. Being near to the max on a trailer tends to wear them out fast.

I thought the LJ stock curb weight was about 3800 to 3900 pounds - 600 to 700 pounds greater than the stock curb weight of my 97 Sport. If that's right, you're carrying about a half ton of modification differences, additional gear, and whatever else (I assume you're not including passenger weight since that won't be part of the trailered weight).

Eventually I will get it weighed. No hurries now though. Thanks for the info on your Jeep weight. It's interesting to compare. Your Jeep would definitely be pushing it on my trailer. I still think ~4,000 pounds seems like a reasonable guess. I'll know just far off my guess is eventually!
 
I thought the LJ stock curb weight was about 3800 to 3900 pounds - 600 to 700 pounds greater than the stock curb weight of my 97 Sport. If that's right, you're carrying about a half ton of modification differences, additional gear, and whatever else (I assume you're not including passenger weight since that won't be part of the trailered weight).

Eventually I will get it weighed. No hurries now though. Thanks for the info on your Jeep weight. It's interesting to compare. Your Jeep would definitely be pushing it on my trailer. I still think ~4,000 pounds seems like a reasonable guess. I'll know just far off my guess is eventually!

Correct, that is weight of my Jeep today without passengers and with soft top not hard top. The bigger tires, heavier wheels, winches, armor, recovery gear, tools, spare water/fluids all add up faster than people tend to think.
 
I got the new fuel injectors today and installed them, so I'll probably head to the scales sometime in the next few days. I also got the hitch that I was waiting for, so I might get real fancy and weigh my truck with and without the Jeep/Trailer combo (scales are only a couple miles from my house).
 
I thought the LJ stock curb weight was about 3800 to 3900 pounds - 600 to 700 pounds greater than the stock curb weight of my 97 Sport. If that's right, you're carrying about a half ton of modification differences, additional gear, and whatever else (I assume you're not including passenger weight since that won't be part of the trailered weight).

Eventually I will get it weighed. No hurries now though. Thanks for the info on your Jeep weight. It's interesting to compare. Your Jeep would definitely be pushing it on my trailer. I still think ~4,000 pounds seems like a reasonable guess. I'll know just far off my guess is eventually!

Whoa. That means I have about a TJ’s worth of modification differences on my LJ… 😳
 
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I have done both, and I greatly prefer flat towing over trailering. It's much easier to hook up and get on the road vs a trailer that has straps and ramps etc. I have the Stowmaster flat tow system, and I can be hooked up and ready to roll in under 5 minutes. The trailer pulls a lot harder and is noticeable when going down the road. Flat towing I almost forget it's back there. As already stated, you can't back up with a flat tow. If you are completely strait, you can get back a little, but if it's turned at all you bind up quick, vs a trailer you can maneuver much easier backing up. I may also be a bit salty on trailering after going through 4 tires, 2 bearings and an axle this year on my tandem trailer. Most tandems are junk IMO, and the geometry is crap. Also, 3500lb axles don't belong on most car trailers hauling anything more than a small car. You could drop the flat tow mounts on your Jeep as well to make it line up better.
 
I have done both, and I greatly prefer flat towing over trailering. It's much easier to hook up and get on the road vs a trailer that has straps and ramps etc. I have the Stowmaster flat tow system, and I can be hooked up and ready to roll in under 5 minutes. The trailer pulls a lot harder and is noticeable when going down the road. Flat towing I almost forget it's back there. As already stated, you can't back up with a flat tow. If you are completely strait, you can get back a little, but if it's turned at all you bind up quick, vs a trailer you can maneuver much easier backing up. I may also be a bit salty on trailering after going through 4 tires, 2 bearings and an axle this year on my tandem trailer. Most tandems are junk IMO, and the geometry is crap. Also, 3500lb axles don't belong on most car trailers hauling anything more than a small car. You could drop the flat tow mounts on your Jeep as well to make it line up better.

tandem 3500 axles means a 7k trailer, most would recommend a 10k trailer as it will last longer. You'd be at a lower percentage of max weight on the trailer and your tires/bearings will last much longer.

Also, I can load and tie down in 5 minutes, so...

And... you can't flat tow if you tear off your axle on trail, or have some other types of catastrophic damage. I prefer to get it home no matter what I break :)
 
I have done both, and I greatly prefer flat towing over trailering. It's much easier to hook up and get on the road vs a trailer that has straps and ramps etc. I have the Stowmaster flat tow system, and I can be hooked up and ready to roll in under 5 minutes. The trailer pulls a lot harder and is noticeable when going down the road. Flat towing I almost forget it's back there. As already stated, you can't back up with a flat tow. If you are completely strait, you can get back a little, but if it's turned at all you bind up quick, vs a trailer you can maneuver much easier backing up. I may also be a bit salty on trailering after going through 4 tires, 2 bearings and an axle this year on my tandem trailer. Most tandems are junk IMO, and the geometry is crap. Also, 3500lb axles don't belong on most car trailers hauling anything more than a small car. You could drop the flat tow mounts on your Jeep as well to make it line up better.

My situation is unique in that I have a STaK's t-case and after burning up 2 of them STaK's said NOPE you can't flat tow anymore. I might not of had everything right but it took me a lot longer to get this hooked up to tow home than loading it onto a trailer. I was doing it alone which doesn't help matters. And I didn't have a rearview camera.

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I've had this trailer since 2007 & the decking on it was never treated or anything and it's just now gotten to the point where it's about time to replace. I've only had the brakes/bearings serviced once since 2007. 2-3 times a year I'll squirt some grease into the Bearing Buddy's. It's only 14' long so about the only thing that will fit is a Jeep or SXS. It tows GREAT behind everything I've towed it with. Might just be I got lucky.

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Unfortunately , we bought our latest car hauler in 2020 during the scamdemic and couldn't get a 10,000 lb rated trailer . That's what I really wanted , but I couldn't even order one . You just had to take what you could get . Someday we may upgrade to the heavier duty model , but for now this one is serving our needs . Not to mention , the prices seem to have went way up too .
 
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