What about my Ruger 10/22 with a 30rd banana clip? Nice & quiet - sure, not the fastest or most powerful, but I can empty that thing after not cleaning it for a year in less than 30 seconds and put a lot of little holes in an intruder. Hell of a mess to clean up, but it represents less than $3.00 per clip. Even after the cleaning supplies from Walmart I'm coming out ahead.