Is it finally time to accept JK owners?!

I found @KimsJeep a new project:
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It doesn't matter if its got two or four doors, square or round headlights, was made by fiat or Mercedes. Has 26" wheels 37" tires or 28" tires and 15" wheels. These are all your jeep brothers and sisters and they love their Jeeps. I welcome all of them to the family. Even whoever made that eggplant a few posts up. Yes. Even that guy
 
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My friend has a jku...i still call him my friend, but rag on him for having a 4 door, even when we take it for trips to the beach or mountains. (damn things are comfy front and rear for long trips). By the way, my auto correct gave me junk as a replacement for jku, just sayin'.

I still hate YJs.

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I daily drove a YJ for 10 years and a XJ for 7 years and loved them both. Daily driving my LJ for 13 years now, I guess I'm a Jeep guy. I can see the attraction of 4 doors, to me a Jeep is a Jeep. If something happens to the LJ I would probably get a JL Willys, but don't want the touch screen, backup camera, electronic traction control brake nonsense and $$$$$$
 
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Jim King said:
I...I would probably get a JL Willys, but don't want the touch screen, backup camera, electronic traction control brake nonsense and $$$$$$
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I was fairly seriously considering the JL Willys before I bought my TJ - but I just couldn't get past that damn touchscreen. I don't want that in ANY car, much less a Jeep. The poorly designed ESS is at least fixable, but apparently you can't even remove the infotainment and still be able to operate the vehicle.

As a complete Jeep newbie, one of the things that attracted me was the lack of electronic crap, and other luxury items. The Willys JL is the closet thing you can get in a new one, but you pay for it! No leather or heated seat nonsense, no power garbage, manual transmission, and all that good stuff! They even got the color right with the "Sarge Green" (that doesn't appear on the "build and price" webpage).

Although I too really think a Jeep should be 2 doors and SHORT, I also think that Jeep should have made a 4 door years ago - like about 1948. Its just that obvious. It makes the vehicle far more versatile, even if it does cut down on the off road ability a bit. I wouldn't want one, but a lot of people do, and I'm glad they're available. I was at my local dealer a few days ago for a chickenshit recall on my TJ that had never been taken care of, and I think they had a total of 2, 2 door Jeeps on the lot - one of which was a Willys.

But I laughed at the OP - although I wasn't a Jeeper back then, I do recall both the furor over the YJ square headlites, and the furor over the TJ coil springs. Haven at least ridden in a YJ several times, and a CJ-something once or twice, I can say the TJ coils are MUCH nicer.
 
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Holy thread revival Batman! So this is a funny “slap in the face” because I test drove a 2018 JL 2-door the other day and now I’m very seriously considering pulling the trigger on one. It was smooth, quick, comfortable, and the low range felt really good. Nice cloth seats with an easy-to-fold soft top. Completely stock, but sat like a TJ would with a 2” lift and 31s. I was saving money for a TJ, but I think I might use that as a down payment for a JL instead 😀
 
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Jamison C said:
Holy thread revival Batman! So this is a funny “slap in the face” because I test drove a 2018 JL 2-door the other day and now I’m very seriously considering pulling the trigger on one. It was smooth, quick, comfortable, and the low range felt really good. Nice cloth seats with an easy-to-fold soft top. Completely stock, but sat like a TJ would with a 2” lift and 31s. I was saving money for a TJ, but I think I might use that as a down payment for a JL instead 😀
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What are you looking at? Sport? Rubicon? Willys?
 
I donno, I don’t mind the 4 doors as much as I did when they first came out, but still prefer the 2 doors, and I think the 2 door JL looks better than the JK. Would I get one? Probably not. But I do think if I were to build a dedicated snow wheeler a 4door on 40’s (minimum) would be one of the platforms I’d seriously consider.
 
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*DISCLAIMER* On the forum I swiped this from it was plainly obvious some members have no idea what this thing called "humor" is. If you are unsure of what that means, please turn back now.

I saw this on another forum and oh my Lord this had me laughing :qmeparto:

A Practical Guide to Hating New Jeeps: How to Establish Your Jeep as the Last Great Jeep (JK Owners Edition)

Hello JK owners! First let me say congratulations. There is now a Jeep that is newer than yours. As I’m sure you all know, every Jeep newer than the generation that you own is an abomination that must be shunned. For the last 11 years it was YOU the JK owners that carried the burden of having the shitty new Jeep. But now, with the reveal of the new JL Wrangler you no longer are stuck with the worst Jeep ever made! However, it’s not time to celebrate yet. There’s a lot of work to be done before you’re truly ready to pass the torch of shame on to the next generation.

CJ, YJ, and TJ owners have all gone through this process before and now it’s your turn to join us in the traditional hating of the new Jeep! To help you though this exciting and emotional time I have prepared this simple step by step guide on how exactly to hate new Jeeps while establishing the JK as the last truly great Jeep.



Step 1 - Announce the death of Jeep:

The first step is the most important. Jeep has suffered many deaths over the its 76 year existence. In a futile and foolish attempt to keep up with market and regulatory demands, Jeep’s many owners made various changes to the very core and soul of Jeep itself ultimately leading to the total death and failure of the brand.

These announcements usually take the form of “Jeep died in _______ when _______ took over and made the ________.”

Let’s look at a few examples of past deaths:

"Jeep died in 1970 when AMC took over and made the CJ-7."
"Jeep died in 1987 when Chrysler took over and made the YJ."
"Jeep died in 1997 when Daimler took over and made the TJ."
"Jeep died in 2007 when Chrysler took over again and made the JK."

So now say it with me, “Jeep died in 2018 when Fiat took over and made them make the JL.”
Now of course some people may not understand why a new model immediately marks the death of Jeep. That's why we need to explain it to them in simple terms.

Step 2 - Develop a rallying cry:

Every new Jeep has changes. Everyone hates changes. Choose what you believe is the most egregious of these changes and form your campaign behind it. The fact that the new Jeep has or doesn’t have this feature means that it isn’t a real Jeep. This will be your rallying cry. Put it on bumper stickers, in your signature, your flair, or in the posts you make. Let’s take a look at some past examples:

Real Jeeps have round headlights!
Real Jeeps have two doors!
Real Jeeps don’t have air conditioning!
Real Jeeps have leaf spring suspension!
Real Jeeps don’t have power locks and windows!
etc.

Now let’s try some of our own,
Real Jeeps don’t have an 8 speed transmission!
Real Jeeps don’t have LED fender lights!
Real Jeeps don’t have an electric drivetrain!
etc.

Here we’ve established what makes the new Jeep an objectively terrible vehicle, however not everyone will be convinced by a simply catch phrase. That’s where step 3 comes in!

Step 3 - Craft your long form rant:

Express your displeasure at the dilution of the Jeep community. Establish blame for the death of Jeep. These statements serve the duel purpose of disparaging new Jeep owners and discouraging others from following in their footsteps. This one is easy. Just fill in the blanks.

“These new (Model) owners. A bunch of (Group of people typically not associated with Jeep) and (Second Group of people not associated with Jeep) who care more about looks than capability. Jeeps were never meant to have (New feature) but these (Groups chosen before) won’t buy a car without them. What’s next? (Absurd luxury feature)? What happened to making the most capable vehicle they could make? You can’t even get a (Removed feature) anymore because most of these people won’t do any more off-roading than the grass at their local (Location popular with new generation’s current “hip” crowd). It’s not even a real Jeep anymore it’s just (Jeep brand’s current owner) trash. And they’re so expensive too. These people drop (Current MSRP, fully loaded) for what’s basically just a (modern vehicle generally viewed as "uncool") with the Jeep logo. And the ones who modify their Jeeps are just as bad. It’s all just bolt on (Low end partssupplier) bumpers and (Newest vehicle lighting technology) lights. All about appearance and nothing about substance. AND THEY NEVER WAVE!”

See? it's easy when you can just reuse old arguments! Now that the Jeep world knows that you’re mad, what do you do?

Step 4 - Attack the JL Owners:

These people are ruining Jeep and they need to know it! They’re no better than people who bought the Compass. If you see one on this subreddit or elsewhere on other forums let them know that they don’t drive a real Jeep and aren’t welcome here. I know it seems harsh but believe me, the only way to make sure the Jeep community survives is to make sure no new people are allowed in ever.

Respond to simple questions with total distain. Downvote pictures of stock JLs or new purchases. Make sure nobody feels welcome. Don’t tell them about the trails you like or offer to go off-roading with them. They are unworthy. If they wanted to get into Jeeps they should have done it the way you did it. You earned your Jeep. You scoured the earth looking for that perfect restorable Jeep. You spent countless hours rebuilding every nut and bolt from scratch. You didn’t just waltz into some dealership and finance some bland new car. You built your Jeep.*

* Note: If you bought your JK new from a dealership then you should instead tell JL owners that they should have gone back in time and bought a new JK like you did.

By now it should be clear to the JL people where they stand in the community. Now we need to make sure it stays that way.

Step 5 - Maintain The New Status Quo:

This may be the hardest part. As more and more JL owners begin to flood the roads and trails you need to make sure you stick to your guns. The new JL owners may seem nice. Their Jeeps may seem cool or even Jeep like but make no mistake, they are still driving an objectively worse vehicle than yours.

NEVER concede that there are good things about the new Jeep. Avoid the mistakes others have made in the past such as:

“Man I wish I had air conditioning in my Jeep.”
“Coils do ride better on the road.”
“Power locks actually sound pretty nice in cold weather.”
“Your Jeep DOESN’T leak everywhere?”

Saying nice things about the new Jeep should be seen as a sign of weakness. You’re not weak. You’re a JK owner.
You may find yourself admiring the JL from afar. You may start reading great things on automotive websites. You may even feel a desire to test drive one yourself. Resist this temptation. The JK is the greatest Jeep ever made.

I'm not going to lie to you dear JK owners, Step 5 is where most people fail. For years Jeep owners have tried to definitively prove that their Jeep is the last great Jeep, yet despite this Jeep sales continue stronger than ever. Maybe this can change with you. If enough people hate on the JL with enough forcefulness, you can not only make sure that people know that the JK is the last great Jeep, but make sure that the JK is also the last Jeep period.

Which is what we all want… right?

That concludes today’s tutorial.
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This is hilarious
 
crackedcornish said:
I fall into the "real Jeeps have leaf springs" crowd..but I still like my TJ, and I'll wave to any Jeep, including JK's and JL's...even though it seems most of the owners of the newer generations are oblivious to that friendly Jeeper gesture
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I like all Jeeps, as long as they only have 2 doors. lol
 
Having owned a JLUR, I will say, it was awesome. 8 speed transmission, features, suspension, etc all very livable on a daily basis. That said, it didn't have that Jeep feeling I look for, that's why Im back in an LJR. Its personal preference. I have zero beef with any year Jeep, I have a problem with is the modification scene that's been inherited from the custom pick up truck world. Large wheels, low profile mud terrains, angry eyes, etc, all yuck.
 
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