Yes it would, although in many instances you would want to use both methods.
I’d hate to have to see the dentist after that one!
It may have some advantages and disadvantages. If you don't know what you're doing it might be a disadvantage since things are happening faster than a newb can compute what to do or not do. So it may be a safety hazard. It would likely be an advantage in a race scenario, like King of the Hammers, though most in America use regular winches (I think). I've heard that it's much more common in the race scene in Europe. I'm all ears, interested to learn.How many of you believe a winch speed is important, or do you believe the winch speed is unimportant? When you say it is or is not important, feel free to include why you feel that way if you like.
On winch speed I'd assume it's really doesn't matter if it goes fast because it's a lot safer going slow. I'd take a slow safe recovery over a fast hazardous recovery any day.
Yeah there is a vid link on here showing a cable failure with the shackle going through the windshield. Gastly is the word that comes to mind
Yep, same thing everyone else l know with this winch says. Replace the switch with a waterproof one and you’re good to go.
The speed of the winch actually is very important.
And some winches, especially the lowest cost highest winching capacity are geared so low that their winch speed is mercilessly slow to the point they're agonizingly slow. Which is just one reason Milemarker's hydraulic winch line, which was popular in the late 90's early 2000's, more or less died out... stores no longer stock them because they don't sell. One big reason for that loss of favor, in addition to how difficult they were to install, was their agonizingly slow winching speed.
Warn noticed the speed issue in the late 90's and started designing newer winches with faster speeds. About the first winch they did that with was the HS-9500 which really changed how better quality winches were designed. Warn figured out that faster winch speeds for offroad use were more important than was previously recognized.
So when comparing winches, don't "poo-poo" the under load retrieval speeds unless you just don't really plan to use it much when on the trail. Because not many recoveries that require a winch are just a quick short pull.... many (most?) require a long winch pull and not all of the winch pull may keep the winch under load. Make sense?
Actually a faster winch speed is more helpful than someone new to winching would realize. But even the fastest winches under load are not so fast they would create a hazard for the operator. The reason for wanting a faster winch speed is to avoid snarling the winch line into a birdsnest like can happen when the Jeep suddenly lurches forward while you're winching. It can lurch forward as you clear the obstacle & are coming down on the other side, it can lurch forward if you're on a long difficult stretch of the trail during short stretches between obstacles when the Jeep lurches forward under its own power. Whenever the Jeep can suddenly/unexpectedly move faster than the winch can keep up with, a winch line snarl/tangle is likely.
And some winches, especially the lowest cost highest winching capacity are geared so low that their winch speed is mercilessly slow to the point they're agonizingly slow. Which is just one reason Milemarker's hydraulic winch line, which was popular in the late 90's early 2000's, more or less died out... stores no longer stock them because they don't sell. One big reason for that loss of favor, in addition to how difficult they were to install, was their agonizingly slow winching speed.
Warn noticed the speed issue in the late 90's and started designing newer winches with faster speeds. About the first winch they did that with was the HS-9500 which really changed how better quality winches were designed. Warn figured out that faster winch speeds for offroad use were more important than was previously recognized.
So when comparing winches, don't "poo-poo" the under load retrieval speeds unless you just don't really plan to use it much when on the trail. Because not many recoveries that require a winch are just a quick short pull.... many (most?) require a long winch pull and not all of the winch pull may keep the winch under load. Make sense?
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The speed of the winch actually is very important.
Actually a faster winch speed is more helpful than someone new to winching would realize. But even the fastest winches under load are not so fast they would create a hazard. The reason for wanting a faster winch speed is to avoid snarling the winch line into a birdsnest like can happen when the Jeep suddenly lurches forward while you're winching. It can lurch forward as you clear the obstacle & are coming down on the other side, it can lurch forward if you're on a long difficult stretch of the trail during short stretches between obstacles when the Jeep lurches forward under its own power. Whenever the Jeep can suddenly/unexpectedly faster than the winch can keep up with, a winch line snarl/tangle is very likely.
And some winches, especially the lowest cost highest winching capacity are geared so low that their winch speed is unmercilessly slow to the point they're agonizingly slow. Which is just one reason Milemarker's hydraulic winch line, which was popular in the late 90's early 2000's, more or less died out... stores no longer stock them because they don't sell. A big reason for that loss of favor was their unbelievably slow winching speed.
Warn noticed the speed issue in the late 90's and started designing newer winches with faster speeds. About the first winch they did that with was the HS-9500 which really changed how better quality winches were designed. Warn figured out that faster winch speeds for offroad use were more important than was previously recognized.
So when comparing winches, don't "poo-poo" the under load retrieval speeds unless you just don't really plan to use it much when on the trail. Because not many recoveries that require a winch are just a quick short pull over the top.... many require a long winch pull and not all of the winch pull may keep the winch under load. Make sense?
Thanks for this quality information.
Nate Livingston
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Never owned a winch, and new to the jeepin world. In fact, just ran my first trail with my first TJ ever two days ago! Saw an ad in the newspaper for a winch at (dont shoot me down) Harbor Freight. It gives its speel about being better than a similar Warn 12000lb winch. Would I be crazy considering one of those?
Those Harbor Freight winches ate bottom of the barrel garbage. I know a local guy who has gone through three of them before he finally decided to be smart and stop buying them.
In no reality whatsoever is a HF winch better than a Warn winch.
My go to is the Warn M8274
I like that its the fastest line speed that warn offers and it has 150ft of cable. Its rebuildable and reliable. It’s been along for a long time so it’s easy to find parts for and it carries with it a following so there are plenty of upgrades for it as well.
Makes long pulls quick and effortless.
I like that its the fastest line speed that warn offers and it has 150ft of cable. Its rebuildable and reliable. It’s been along for a long time so it’s easy to find parts for and it carries with it a following so there are plenty of upgrades for it as well.
Makes long pulls quick and effortless.
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The M8274 has been around a long time. A friend of mine scooped up every one of those things within miles of here and drove the price right through the roof for used ones. He was snagging them off the front of old logging crummies, trailers, out of barns, out from under work benches... Basically went nuts. Drove over to Clackamas and picked up a bunch of parts to fix'm up. Made a killing selling them on ebay. Dork never offered to sell me one.
I'll probably get an Engo and call it good.
Superwinch Tiger Shark 9500SR is the one I use, not just have. 
I have this winch with the wireless remote . I have used it about 3 yrs for various uses and haven't had any issues with it at all . Can't beat it for the price .
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