it's certainly unfortunate that we all suffer for the sins of a few.
it's certainly unfortunate that we all suffer for the sins of a few.
And hence the attitude of few folks here that try to make sure that people stay in context because, otherwise there is no useful discussion or dissemination whatsoever of factual information. I'm talking about people like the person you thought was information policing and you very harshly asked to go away. If they do go away, all you will have is noise. Context is important and should not be forgotten.
I haven't read all this, I am sure it is interesting and will get around to it so not sure if my following comment is related. But....I am still going to say it because I find it interesting.
I have found that when discussing Jeeps and TJs anywhere other than this forum (and possibly a few other forums), that there is no such thing as a mid arm. There is a short arm and a long arm. I was standing right next to a TJ that has a Savvy MidArm installed talking with it's owner when a guy walked up looked at the undercarriage and then started talking about the "long arm" that was installed. I asked him why he thought it had a long arm installed and he said because the arms weren't installed at the OEM stock bracket locations. I asked him what he thought of the setup and he pointed out pretty quickly the benefits and what he liked about it. I never brought up "mid arm" and neither did the owner of the TJ, we just talked. This is not the first time I have heard the same thing in reference to the definition of long arm.
I personally call suspensions that use the stock brackets - short arms,
kits that relocate the brackets - Long Arms,
and everything else - custom.
Mid Arm to me is just a Kit name.
Is my findings a local/regional thing? Outside of specific forums on the interweb do people know what you are talking about if you bring up mid arm?
Gonna have to disagree with that... that person IS the noise, drowning out any efforts to get open answers from anybody because the smugness and the strawmen and the attitude immediately puts the victim on the defense. There are stubborn people here that hold onto crap like the spring rate stuff, but there are also some that are pretty well up to speed with what commonly works on a TJ but want to learn more, even if it's not strictly in a TJ context, and we get tired of being lumped in together with the former and all of our attempts to drive an open conversation cockblocked by the same handful of people over and over again. I've seen enough of these threads to know that if somebody came in here with a design approach that worked pretty well, it would be shouted down immediately if it was any different than a savvy skid and midarm, before ever having a chance to be explored.
I haven't read all this, I am sure it is interesting and will get around to it so not sure if my following comment is related. But....I am still going to say it because I find it interesting.
I have found that when discussing Jeeps and TJs anywhere other than this forum (and possibly a few other forums), that there is no such thing as a mid arm. There is a short arm and a long arm. I was standing right next to a TJ that has a Savvy MidArm installed talking with it's owner when a guy walked up looked at the undercarriage and then started talking about the "long arm" that was installed. I asked him why he thought it had a long arm installed and he said because the arms weren't installed at the OEM stock bracket locations. I asked him what he thought of the setup and he pointed out pretty quickly the benefits and what he liked about it. I never brought up "mid arm" and neither did the owner of the TJ, we just talked. This is not the first time I have heard the same thing in reference to the definition of long arm.
I personally call suspensions that use the stock brackets - short arms,
kits that relocate the brackets - Long Arms,
and everything else - custom.
Mid Arm to me is just a Kit name.
Is my findings a local/regional thing? Outside of specific forums on the interweb do people know what you are talking about if you bring up mid arm?
Gonna have to disagree with that... that person IS the noise, drowning out any efforts to get open answers from anybody because the smugness and the strawmen and the attitude immediately puts the victim on the defense. There are stubborn people here that hold onto crap like the spring rate stuff, but there are also some that are pretty well up to speed with what commonly works on a TJ but want to learn more, even if it's not strictly in a TJ context, and we get tired of being lumped in together with the former and all of our attempts to drive an open conversation cockblocked by the same handful of people over and over again. I've seen enough of these threads to know that if somebody came in here with a design approach that worked pretty well, it would be shouted down immediately if it was any different than a savvy skid and midarm, before ever having a chance to be explored.
The Savvy design is old school and so yesterday. But it is hard to reach an old dog new tricks. Look the memes you have been receiving here,
View attachment 374592 dog is named Savvy.
Gonna have to disagree with that... that person IS the noise, drowning out any efforts to get open answers from anybody because the smugness and the strawmen and the attitude immediately puts the victim on the defense. There are stubborn people here that hold onto crap like the spring rate stuff, but there are also some that are pretty well up to speed with what commonly works on a TJ but want to learn more, even if it's not strictly in a TJ context, and we get tired of being lumped in together with the former and all of our attempts to drive an open conversation cockblocked by the same handful of people over and over again. I've seen enough of these threads to know that if somebody came in here with a design approach that worked pretty well, it would be shouted down immediately if it was any different than a savvy skid and midarm, before ever having a chance to be explored.
What problems does it have? And how would you change it?
The Savvy design is old school and so yesterday. But it is hard to reach an old dog new tricks. Look the memes you have been receiving here,
View attachment 374592 dog is named Savvy.
What problems does it have? And how would you change it?
So IRS/IFS is ...?
Stock arms= 16"ish long. Long arms were at one point 36"ish long. Savvy mid arm= 26"ish long. Or, midway between the two, thus me calling it the mid-arm since it is neither stockish or longish arm length.
It isn't a short arm and it isn't a long arm, so what would you call it?
I am good with calling it Mid Arm and I understand what is being referred when mid arm is mentioned. I was just wondering if this is common terminology outside of these forums? I would imagine that in those circles where there are a lot of Jeeps with the mid arm kit installed that it is common, but I have found that it is not common in my region or with people that I have wheeled with outside of the forums.
Also, if mid arm is mentioned in this forums is it specifically related to the savvy "mid arm" kit or is it referring to arms in the 26" range that have similar geometry to the Savvy kit?
I am good with calling it Mid Arm and I understand what is being referred when mid arm is mentioned. I was just wondering if this is common terminology outside of these forums? I would imagine that in those circles where there are a lot of Jeeps with the mid arm kit installed that it is common, but I have found that it is not common in my region or with people that I have wheeled with outside of the forums.
Also, if mid arm is mentioned in this forums is it specifically related to the savvy "mid arm" kit or is it referring to arms in the 26" range that have similar geometry to the Savvy kit?
There is no smugness, there is no strawman argument, there is no cockblocking.