Super Short SYE or SYE?

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Found a good deal on an SYE, Advance adapters to be exact. I'm currently on 2.5" of lift with 32's, soon to be 2.5" SL and 1.25" BL, with 33's. I eventually want to do a TT, so i am wondering if i should wait and get a SSSYE or if i will be fine with this SYE. Thanks.
 
Found a good deal on an SYE, Advance adapters to be exact. I'm currently on 2.5" of lift with 32's, soon to be 2.5" SL and 1.25" BL, with 33's. I eventually want to do a TT, so i am wondering if i should wait and get a SSSYE or if i will be fine with this SYE. Thanks.
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I personally like the quality and design of the Advance Adapters SYE over all others.

The JB Super Short is high quality and well designed but I think it is overly-complex for most applications.

There's the issue with the speedometer being electronically driven instead of mechanically driven. All this really affects though is your ability to calibrate you speedometer due to inaccuracies created by changing tire diameter and/or gear ratios. With a mechanically driven speedometer it is as easy as changing a little plastic gear. With the electronically driven speedometer it makes it a whole thing. However, this only matters if your speedometer is off because your tire and gear ratios don't match up well to the stock tire size to gear ratio ratio, like if you've put big tires on without re-gearing your axles or if you've re-geared real low without big tires. This whole discussion though is mostly a thought experiment, many people don't seem to worry about re-calibrating their speedometer anyway so it's kind of a moot discussion.

The other issue that sometimes creates a problem is that the output yoke on a JB or Teraflex super short sye is not a standard yoke. It is custom made to be shorter and have a few other dimensions that are unique to those kits. That means if you ever need to replace the yoke or ever want to upgrade it from 1310 series to 1350 series you are going to have a harder time finding what you need.

Where I recommend the super short sye is in a TJ when someone has more than 4 inches of total drivetrain lift. This is usually in the form of a 4 inch lift and a tummy tuck (raised transfer case). Otherwise I think the drive shaft operating angles with a normal SYE kit are fine. The extra short SYE kits shorten the transfer case and increase the drive shaft length by 3 inches. Using this rise over run calculator you can compare the angles between a 16" long drive shaft with a standard SYE and a 19" long drive shaft with an SS SYE. Technically the drive shaft length is the hypotenuse and not the run but it's close enough for rough comparisons. Also, the rise is not going to be equivalent to the lift height, my educated guess in a TJ with a 2.5" lift and proper rear pinion adjustment is a rise/drop of about 6 inches. That would mean that the angle reduction achieved by the super short SYE is usually only a couple degrees, nothing life changing on most jeeps with a modest lift.

The super short SYE is always a good option and in my opinion well worth the extra expense or other possible drawbacks if you have more than 4" of drivetrain lift.

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I experienced vibes with my standard SYE, 3" springs, and a Savvy TT which is pretty tucked. I do have an 8.8 though so that likely contributed. Going back to 2.5" springs got rid of the vibes for the most part.
 
Agreed. The point I was differing on is what equates to what with a TT. Not all TT's are created equal and raise the transfer case by the same amount. 2.5-3" of suspension lift is getting real close to the limit after you consider different TT's. Considering that plus normal differences in a specific drivetrain's resistance to vibes, different axle setups (8.8 which is offset for example), amount of MML, etc. and spending a bit more the first time for a SSSYE starts seeming like a safer bet.

Also reference the electronic speedo argument, I hear it a lot and don't completely buy off on it. If you only plan to change gearing or tires once, sure, mechanical speedo gear swap is cheaper and easier. More than one change of either though and the money equation is close to even and the ease of adjustment is in favor of the speedo-healer IMO. That argument might not be 100% conclusive in favor of going electric, but it's close enough even after just one setup change I would consider it moot compared to having to install a normal SYE then go back and install a SSSYE later if you need it with a TT.

For me, the bottom line is if a TT is in the cards, I'd always go with the SSSYE for both possible present vibe issues approaching 3" of lift, and for future proofing against future mods.
 
I was always 100% happy with the standard length SYE on my previous TJ that saw up to 5.5" of lift but mostly 4". I especially liked it kept the use of standard speedometer gears.
 
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Exactly why I recommend the SS SYE off the bat if it's something you are even considering. We seem to always wind up going higher or tucking more than we thought, and for the not much more money it costs to do it the first time compared to the time/labor/cost of doing it again, it seems like a no brainer to me. Not everybody always has the little bit of extra money up front though.
 
here you can see how bad the angle is. definitely suggest the sssye

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