Bronco vs. Wrangler

That's 27T yen not dollars
well that makes a shitload more sense. I kept thinking "how the hell does Toyota have an annual revenue on the same order of magnitude as the US national debt?...well, it IS Toyota...".

F these people for posting numbers without a unit of measure.

I should have kept looking for results - the little one down below it actually had it in dollars.

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So it's only like 17x the size of Ingersoll Rand. :ROFLMAO:
 
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Here's revenue by dollars, but you don't know how that revenue breaks down by country on a global scale. A company I used to work for would not bring all revenue into the US as it was very expensive to do so.

No.CompanyIndustryRevenue (by US$ million)Headquarters
1Volkswagen GroupAutomotive282,760
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Germany
2Toyota GroupEngineering, various265,172*
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Japan
3AppleElectronics,Telecommunications equipment260,174
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United States
4Samsung ElectronicsElectronics, various197,705
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South Korea
5DaimlerAutomotive193,346
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Germany
6FoxconnElectronics172,869
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Taiwan
7FordAutomotive155,900
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United States
8Cardinal HealthPharmaceuticals145,534
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United States
9HondaAutomotive137,332
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Japan
10General MotorsAutomotive137,237
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United States
 
Sort of off topic, but the CEO of Toyota is actually making way less than his American counterparts. CEOs in Japan don't get paid like they do in the US. I think you could argue that giving your money to Toyota is better than GM or Ford in that regard, since your money isn't just going to buy the fat cat's their 16th yacht.
Akio Toyoda, the CEO of Toyota, is the great-grandson of the founder of the company and has over a billion dollars net worth. He likely doesn't take a large salary because he doesn't care about adding to that number.

Talking about yachts..... I think it's safe to assume he has a few.

https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/lexus/29534250.html
 
Everyone can there own choice . Sometimes they are scholiasts and sometimes capitalist. I am American and don't just buy American made but American owned. I know my Jeep is not an American owned company but I did buy it used and non of my money end up overseas or sheared with a foreign country.
 
Akio Toyoda, the CEO of Toyota, is the great-grandson of the founder of the company and has over a billion dollars net worth. He likely doesn't take a large salary because he doesn't care about adding to that number.

Talking about yachts..... I think it's safe to assume he has a few.

https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/lexus/29534250.html
Yeah, that's a good point. The salary is meaningless at that point.
 
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i just finished up the conveyor line for GoodYear to run the new Bronco tires.
 
Maybe not Bronco but Ford had about as many [GPW's] in WW2 as Willys did [MB's]. [Edited for clarity.]


Every one of them based upon the winning design originally submitted by the American Bantam Car Company from Butler PA.

Ford got the manufacturing contract because it had manufacturing capacity, not because its engineers designed the best vehicle for the intended purpose.
 
As stated earlier in this thread, we are hoping to replace the wifes daily with a bronco. So Ford has finally pieced together enough to send out demos to some of the dealers, and while in Knoxville the wife got to check one out. The demo was out being driven and there were people waiting in front of her to drive it, so no test drive. However, she did get to look at the managers badlands 4 door...Overall she really liked it, she did not care for the front grill at all, it did look odd in the pictures. Her biggest complaint was the lack of room for the back seat occupants, they had better be small people, she said it is noticeably different between this and the wrangler.

Also, if you want a hard top, well that's too bad. This dealer told her there will be no hard tops available "for a good while". He told her when they do become available, the dealer would call and install yours for free. Which pisses me off because now your paying for both tops, want them or not.

And before you ask, yes, they blamed it on COVID.
 
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A local dealer has a 2dr hard top Badlands model on the showroom floor, so I finally got the chance to test-fit one (I'm~6'6" @ 280#). I didn't get to test drive, nor did I ask. The fitment was excellent, and sight lines were very good. By fitment, I had plenty of shoulder room at the B-pillar and plenty of head room. The JK, by comparison is a tight fit in the shoulder and my head can bounce off the soundbar. Bronco is at the top of my list for CY2024- after they've been out a couple years and the craziness has subsided.
 
Obviously I’m biased, but these are not apples to apples. The bronco won’t be able to do what the wrangler can out of the box. Also the obvious…it’s fugly as hell IMO. Love the powertrain tho…the 2.7 has some sweet power numbers. They 1 upped jeep in that dept
They both did the same trails in the video and both can run the majority of trails people will run.
 
I find the JL's to be fairly wide, I have noticed the bronco is around 4 inches wider. I have also noticed the Bronco is around 400 lbs heavier. The mileage appears to be fairly bad also. I like them. But all these factors can and will matter at some point or another. Its all very interesting to me. Once again, for a trail vehicle the legendary TJ remains a wise choice.
 
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Obviously I’m biased, but these are not apples to apples. The bronco won’t be able to do what the wrangler can out of the box. Also the obvious…it’s fugly as hell IMO. Love the powertrain tho…the 2.7 has some sweet power numbers. They 1 upped jeep in that dept


So you didn’t watch the video but comment on it anyway? I know you prefaced it with your bias….but really, you are going off some videos (that you didn’t watch) to come to your conclusion?


Sorry, you can love Jeep for what it is and not co wider alternatives. That’s great! Just offer options and opinions on that bias rather than shit post another thread.
 
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Love the powertrain tho…the 2.7 has some sweet power numbers. They 1 upped jeep in that dept
The 2.7EB is a really good engine. It's very popular in the F150s, even with the 5.0 V8 and the 3.5EB. Silent, reliable power at low throttle demands, torquey like a small diesel. But it can rev high and make great power too.

In fact, from the factory a 2.7EB F150 is marginally faster 0-60 than the 3.5 or 5.0. (That said, the 3.5 definitely has significantly more power and torque, and the 5.0 has comparable torque and more top end power.) Ford actually has to nerf those three engines from the factory at lower road speeds because they would otherwise destroy the tires, especially with the 4.70 first gear ratio.
 
So you didn’t watch the video but comment on it anyway? I know you prefaced it with your bias….but really, you are going off some videos (that you didn’t watch) to come to your conclusion?


Sorry, you can love Jeep for what it is and not co wider alternatives. That’s great! Just offer options and opinions on that bias rather than shit post another thread
Lots of question marks in your shit post. I did watch the video and your shit post has me more confused. My conclusion is I like the JL more. Please no more shit posts.
 
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Lots of question marks in your shit post. I did watch the video and your shit post has me more confused. My conclusion is I like the JL more. Please no more shit posts.


How did you watch a 28 minute video in 6 minutes?