The hex and the flats aren't needed. Comfort isn't necessary. And yes, flats would make things a little bit easier, except that people misused them.
Duroflex vs Johnny Joints...again
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After reading more of this JJ vs MC beef, i started to wonder the same thing.
Eventually, with simply time, that rubber with stretch from pressure and start to sag.
I also started thinking about age of MC joints. Fresh out of the press im sure they allow crazy angles and are elastic enough to handle it with minimal effect on their structure. But say, year worth of road trips between humid Florida and blizzards of Colorado, that include a dozen offroad adventures... Rigidity of rubber to allow return to zero, and hold that zero as axle want to move side to side, i think is no longer there.
All people that have complained about axle misalignment associated with MC joints now makes much better sense.
The manufacturer cuts costs and you see it as an improvement?
The alternative now for disassembly after a little corrosion will be a vice grip. No misuse in that.
Savvy midarms Now have hex’s machined into the arms. I believe it had something to do with too many retards were complaining they couldn’t get the jamb nuts tight without hex’s/flats.
they are absolutely not needed. But if enough retards complain, apparently you can change their mind.
they are absolutely not needed. But if enough retards complain, apparently you can change their mind.
So instead of changing retarded ways, they (the mighty example of perfection that most have a hard on for on this forum) chose to hop on retard wagon?
At this point I can't tell who is more retarded, the retards, non retards that have listened to retards, or retards that complain about retards and keep supporting those who have sided with retards at the same time.
Retards got the flats removed. Retards get the flats put back on.
It’s turtles all the way down.
Early on and maybe again not far in the future, the Savvy arms had flats on them to turn and hold them with a wrench. More than one customer assembled them without anti-seize and then used a wrench to adjust them one at a time longer or shorter under the vehicle. That locked up the threads in the aluminum and ruined a joint and an arm. I messed with a couple trying to get the joint out. I started warming it up while turning the joint. I got it to the point that I twisted the end of the arm off with a section still stuck on the threads. They removed the flats so folks would stop doing that.
The joint barrel nor the ball cares where the other is as long as they are roughly aligned with each other on opposite ends of the arm. A ball is a ball, what does it care?
Matters nary a whit. They can be fully rotated until the joint barrel is almost resting against the side of the mount and they just don't care because it doesn't matter. The only reason you move them to "neutral" is because you think it is where they live not where they actually live.
It is actually very easy. Use a flat blade prybar and pry against the inside of the mount to rotate the barrel of the joints until both are resting against the insides so they can't turn any further when you tighten a jam not. Hold the arm with one hand so you can feel it turning, snug one nut down, move to the other, keep snugging until they lock enough so you can heave on them. It is the alternating back and forth to work them against each other that is the basic answer. It doesn't take much to lock the arm down to the point you can put a floor jack under the end of the wrench and flat get after it. (not required at all, but you can)
Got it. What does matter is that both ends of the arm are aligned. Like I've said before, I'm not opposed to learning new things!
It is cost cutting but not in the disparaging manner that satisfies your sensibilities. The cost cutting came about through not having to warranty an arm and 1 or 2 joints after the customer seized up the joints in them. Not cost cutting of the machine work to do a couple of wrench flats.
I remember when this meme was widely used. (Disclaimer - this in no way has any reflection of my opinion of the Special Olympics nor its competitors)
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